Wed 12 Aug 2009
David Hartwell at Anticipation
Posted by Joe Mahoney under Fantasy , Name Dropping , Novels , Science Fiction , writing[4] Comments
David Hartwell is the Senior Editor at Tor/Forge Books, and one of the people I very much wanted to meet at WorldCon. He is the editor of many well known, well regarded Tor/Forge authors such as Robert J. Sawyer and Karl Schroeder and a great deal many more. He’s the man responsible for putting Guy Gavriel Kay on the map (to name just one) and I have the perception that he knows a great deal about publishing, writing and editing. I wanted the opportunity to extract as much information out of this man as possible.
Plus he seems like a nice guy.
I didn’t get to meet him one on one, but I did attend a panel which, although called a panel, consisted only of him facing an audience of perhaps twenty-five interested souls. I would call them aspiring writers, but the questions they asked did not indicate that writing or editing was of any particular interest to them. Because those subjects are my chief interest, I don’t really remember any of the questions or answers not related to writing or editing.
That’s what the panel consisted of: people lobbing questions at Hartwell, all of which he answered gamely and at some length. I got two questions in. The first was something along the lines of: “I’m interested in your work as an editor. Specifically, you edit the manuscripts of highly accomplished writers. What do you typically find wrong with such manuscripts, and how do you fix them?”
He said (and I am of course paraphrasing): “That question is just specific enough that I can answer it in something less than half an hour.” (Which got a chuckle.) “Most of the manuscripts that we receive have too many things wrong with them, so they don’t get published. Of the ones that we do publish, the single most common problem of professional writers is setting. The writers don’t spend enough time on setting.”
I found this really interesting. Naturally you might think that professional writers get most things right, maybe they might screw up continuity or make the odd grammatical error, but setting? I’ve spent a lot of time on setting in my (darned near completed) novel, so this response gave me hope, though that doesn’t mean that I’ve necessarily gotten it right.
Hartwell provided this example of a writer getting it right. There’s a sentence in a Heinlein novel (Fergus Heywood later told me which novel, but I forget) that goes like this: The door dilated. That sentence (according to Hartwell, and I agree) packs quite a punch as far as setting goes. Instantly you know you’re in the future (doors don’t typically dilate in this day and age).
Later I got to ask Hartwell another question. That morning, I told him, listening to Neil Gaiman speak, Neil had spoken of his quest to learn how to write a compelling story, one that keeps you engaged. One day events conspired to teach him this. It was after watching a Peter Greenaway movie, I believe, which lacked a compelling plot, yet that nevertheless kept his eyes riveted to the screen. I apologize to Gaiman if I have this wrong. But the point is the plot itself didn’t keep Gaiman engaged, it was other factors in the movie. Gaiman decided all that was necessary to write an effective story was to write a sentence that compelled the reader to move on to the next sentence, which compelled the reader onto the next sentence, and so on.
I related a portion of the above to Hartwell and asked for his opinion on writing a compelling story. He said, more or less, that it was up to each individual writer to find the secret of telling a compelling story for themselves. And it was different for each writer. Some writers use the interesting sentence after interesting sentence method, others painstakingly plot things out, others make it up as they go along, others use a sketchy outline, and so on.
I prefaced this last question with the remark that I had a thousand questions for Hartwell, but I would limit it to one this time.
He replied, “One for now.”
Here’s hoping I get to ask him many more in the not-too-distant future.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:47 am
“One for now.”
heh heh heh
Did you catch Neil Gaiman talking about writing Good Omens with Terry Pratchett? He linked this from his twitter stream which made me chuckle
“How GOOD OMENS was not written — me plotting & @terryandrob scattering jokes: http://bit.ly/1AGRc“
August 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
No I didn’t catch that… neat pic, though; thanks!
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
That’s a fascinating concept to me – the idea of trying to write compelling sentence after compelling sentence. It sounds like an exhausting, daunting task to set yourself as a writer. Tell me, Joe; would this sentence ever appear in one of your novels? “He trudged on under an aegis of dolorous portents.” Maybe when you were 15. It sounds as if the author was trying to impress his readers with his vast vocabulary, and maybe he was. I’ll give you the two preceding sentences for context: “And now he was wholly dependent upon Saltheart Foamfollower. It was not a good omen for a leper.”
Not a bad book, all things considered. Could have used a little more editing, though…
August 24th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Donaldson still pretty much writes like that, and yet I don’t think he has to impress anyone anymore. It’s a very Lovecraftian sentence, that one. Like “The scions of the race were inurned in the sepulchre on the declivity.” (Lovecraft) The kind of sentence that stops you cold, because you have to look up every second word. Yeah, those guys clearly weren’t following the “make every sentence compelling” school of thought.